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Thursday Conversations

Three interesting conversations from a Thursday in May.

May 12, 2007 | RSS | EMAIL | PRINT | 7 COMMENTS

On Thursday I had three great (separate) great conversations with Sara, Johnny and Charlton. I thought it might be great to capture some insights from each of them.

On Authenticity

Sara had recently met Drew and the topic of marketing for good had come up (not entirely surprising). Sara, like many of us, had wondered whether it was still meaningful for a company to do good if it wasn't for authentic reasons. Drew's answer, which had stuck with Sara, was who cares. Authenticity or not, good is good. What's the difference if Wal-Mart is giving away generic prescription drugs for next to nothing in order to beat the competition? Sure there are issues with this attitude, and nothing exists in a vacuum, but it's an interesting point of view.

On Consumption

Funny enough later that day I had a conversation with Johnny, who just happens to be on a very similar good in marketing crusade. He recently spoke at Wildfire and walked me through his deck, which was all about doing what's right (which included not thinking about 'the target' but rather about your mom or your best friend, since that's really who you're talking to). Anyhow, Johnny and I got onto the topic of groupthink (after briefly discussing Paul Graham's excellent "What You Can't Say" essay). The question posed was "is capitalism groupthink?" We didn't settle on an answer (not a huge surprise), but we did begin discussing the possible effects of digital technology on consumption.

Will our digital consumption habits effect our physical ones? When you consume in the digital world it takes up no space, there's nothing to touch. You can download and download to your heart's content (within reason) and acquire unthinkable amounts of stuff (I have 4,508 songs in iTunes). For a while people were buying bigger and bigger iPods to store all this stuff: Everyone wanted everything all the time. But I feel like we're turning a corner (a shift that will intensify with the release of the iPhone). People seem to be buying fewer giant iPods and instead going for shuffles. As anyone who has a giant iPod can attest to, you never actually listen to all that stuff.

The question, then, is whether this behavior will manifest itself in the physical realm. When mass consumption becomes easy as pressing a button will it eventually make us immune to the satisfaction of consumption in general?

On Being Offended

So the day ended with drinks/dinner in front of a wide open window in the East Village. Charlton and I discussed lots of stuff, but especially notable was what he said about being offended. Just as background, Charlton is a professor at NYU and a leading thinker on race (check out his Race Project and accompanying blog This Week in Race). Anyhow, somehow Charlton and I got onto the topic of offending people. He lived in the south for a long time and he told me people often ask him how he dealt with it. His answer is always that it was a lot easier. When someone had something to say to him (about his race or anything else), they said it. Being offended was a good thing, it allowed him to immediately assess the situation. There's not grey area when you're offended, you don't need to make a decision about whether someone likes you or not.

It made me think about driving in New York. One of the wonderful things about driving here is that you expect everyone will cut you off, so you're always on the defensive. It's a whole lot more dangerous when you're driving in some other place and you don't know what they're going to do. You can be lulled into a sense of security only to get cut off at a moment you weren't prepared. I am actually constantly amazed at how few accidents I see in New York and I think it's for this very reason.

Anyhow, that was my Thursday. Hope there's some interesting nuggets in there.

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1candice

Driving in Boston, or even just Mass. in general is like that too. Crazy, but predictable.

As opposed to disasterworld, where in some places we have terrain for streets and there's all these asshole contractors driving around in pickup trucks...

May 12, 2007

2Charles Frith

Great post. Lots of interesting thoughts.

May 12, 2007

3Stephen Denny

Noah: all good points to ponder on a Zen-like Sunday here on the Central Coast. Authenticity wouldn't be authentic if we really cared what everybody else thinks, would it? Digital consumption seems to hitting an inflection point where, like a monkey with its hand stuck in the jar, we realize that having access is more important than the "having". Or something. And if I ever decided to write another blog separate and distinct from the marketing ranting and raving on NtCMO, I'd probably write about nothing but your third comment. I don't think being offended is bad; I'm pretty sick and tired of everyone thinking that everyone else ought to care when they are, though. Political correctness feels like the antithesis of authenticity, to come full circle. Back to navel gazing -- thanks for a good post!

May 13, 2007

4Bonnie in Albuquerque

Great thoughts and interesting conversations. On authenticity, I don't think that one can ever really be authentic. There is always a motivations behind the action. Ideological hegemony legitimize various forms of thinking and acting, so there is always something guiding an action knowingly or unknowingly....ok I have been writing too much on ideology and marx for my dissertation today... I apologize...
I am fascinated by digital consumption and our digital consumption is just another "commodity" another digression to marx... and I think capitalism is a form of groupthink, but this is way too intertwined with my research to write a couple sentences on....but here is a question.....what is the relationship to groupthink and hegemony?
Lastly, I love Charlton's blog...being a critical race theory person and grounding my research in such, his blog is a must-read for me each week :) I have heard that sentiment echoed by many researchers in CRT in that its easier when you know where someone stands. In this time when people claim to have a "color blind ideology" which just furthers a system of white supremacy...people don't express their true beliefs. When someone says what they feel and even if it is racist, at least you know where they stand, there is no hidden agenda. I agree with Charlton that if people say what they feel, the dialogue can start. Being offended, though its not always a pleasant situation can open the door for anti-racist, anti-bias work to begin.

May 14, 2007

5Charles

I think that digital consumption is constantly being regulated by our non-digital bodies. Our natural limitations are a constant reminder of moderation, and are always balancing out the digital. We can have all the music in the worlds on our iPods, but we can only listen to so much until our bodies need to sleep. We can't eat forever, either. Because of this, I don't ever think we can become completely immune to the satisfaction that comes along with consumption. As long as we need to turn it on and off every day, we'll always be satisfied... at least in the mornings.

May 15, 2007

6Drew Neisser

Hey Noah--boy do I sound like a cynic. Let me clarify my position a bit. First, it is true that I'm not concerned with the ethics behind a company's decision to do good. The reason being is that I'm not sure I'm in a position to know the true motivation so I simply accept the act of goodness for what it is (even if they are doing it to overcome bad publicity for some other less than good act). Second, I am totally comfortable with the notion of enlightened self-interest and that companies that do good do so with the expectation that it will help grow their business. For-profit enterprises shouldn't be running for sainthood--leave that to the public & religious sectors.

May 17, 2007

7Noah Brier

Totally agree drew, hope i didn't make it sound like anything but respect for your position. It was really an aha moment.

May 17, 2007