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When Too Much Listening is a Bad Thing

There's a lot of chatter out there, how do you know when to listen and when not to?

November 17, 2008 | RSS | EMAIL | PRINT | 13 COMMENTS

This one's been germinating for awhile now. About a month ago I was having drinks with my friend Matt and he made a point I hadn't heard before about the election: "Sarah Palin's handlers let the chatter get to them." Basically what he was saying is that if they had really been good at their jobs they never would have let her go on with Katie Couric and that the only reason they did is because everyone (media talking heads, DC folks) was saying that you can't have a VP candidate that doesn't do any interviews. But who says so? Who makes the rules?

Now I don't know whether I agree with the hypothesis or not, but I think it nicely frames an issue which seems to be coming up more and more lately (thought its really not new). In some ways its related to Alan's Nascar Blindness (the ad industry's tendency to miss out on that which they can't see) but in the opposite direction. This is actually about paying too much attention to the chatter and losing site of your goals. In the case of Sarah Palin, it seems safe to say that her role was to sure up the base of the party (I don't even think that's a controversial statement at this point). So if that's the case, what do you get out of putting her on with Katie Couric other than the potential for harm?

Take another example, those Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld Microsoft ads (video for those that missed it). Immediately, online folks started ripping at the flesh of Microsoft and their agency, Crispin Porter + Bogusky. (The most ridiculous thing I read was from Information Week and suggested "The effectiveness of brand-driven advertising died about the same time Seinfeld hit syndication." That's so dumb I'm not even going to bother with it.) Now, according to Gizmodo, "there's even more of an indication now that Microsoft aggressively cut the Gates/Seinfeld spot production short, canceling the shoot for a fourth spot just three days into production. The spots were intended to be part of a running series with up to 12 planned spots conceptualized. Now it's unclear whether or not we'll even see the last spot air, let alone Seinfeld come back for a reprisal."

But why? It couldn't have been because the ads didn't get attention: As AdAge pointed out, the Seinfeld/Gates ads were getting 14x as many views per day as the new "I'm a PC" spots. What's more, that same article points out that much of this came from all the chatter online and "The Seinfeld/Gates ads had more adjectives in them, while comments in PC ads had more nouns, suggesting a more emotional response to Seinfeld/Gates ads." Now my argument from the start is that the goal of Microsoft advertising right now is to reposition/humanize the company. From my original Seinfeld/Gates post:

Anyway, let me get to my point. I think there are a lot of problems at Microsoft, most of which can't be solved with advertising. For one, it won't solve the fact they put out a dud in Vista is something they're not going to fix with an ad campaign (OS 9 ring a bell??). However, what it can start to do is make people think about Microsoft in a slightly different way. It starts to soften the company around the edges. As I wrote in an IM to Alan earlier today, you can't just jump from super-nerd (Microsoft's perception) to cool guy (Apple) without at first rolling up your sleeves. The ad humanizes Microsoft by making one of the world's richest men seem like an every day guy.

It's precisely those emotional comments that the ads should have been aimed for and seemed to have succeeded at. So why did they drop it? Well, my theory is that it's because a bunch of people with blogs and such started talking about how they didn't like/didin't get the ads. Lots of people were saying that Microsoft needed to respond and listen to what the consumer was saying, but I call bullshit. In a quote for PRWeek I explained, "Other than the Super Bowl, how often do people talk about ads? Microsoft should let this play out. I think there are times to listen to everyone and there are times not to listen to everyone... the people talking about this may not be the audience for this ad. They may not be talking to early adopters." And I stand by that.

In the end I guess my point is that there are times to listen and act upon what you've heard and times to listen and respectfully ignore the feedback. As a small example, I've been asked a ton of times to add logos to brand tags for companies that have just started/don't exist yet. Every time I've declined because I've explained that the site is about measuring brand perception and that if you don't exist yet, you don't have a brand perception. What these people want is for consumers to give them feedback on their logos and I basically just think that's useless. What are people going to tell you? That your logo is too blue? The reality of the situation is that logos, like brands, don't exist in vacuums and people's feedback on your logo without holding your product or seeing it on the shelf is pretty much 100 percent useless (unless you're missing some giant thing like you're selling mens deodorant and your logo is pink with flowers, but some basic testing/a decent design firm should clear that up).

Commercials are different that products. If your product is hurting someone you've got to do something about it immediately, if your commercial is offending their sensibilities think carefully whether anything really needs to be done. Brands need to ask themselves, is this the a vocal minority speaking or are they actually a reflection of our target?

Sometimes too much listening is a bad thing.

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1Eugene

Er, hate to be a stickler but where you referenced Engadget you linked Gizmodo.

Speaking of the Gates/Seinfeld ads, I had speculated that it was a deliberate head fake. Jostle our collective notions of MSFT enough to give them just a little breathing room. Then roll out the I'm a PC work - I feel like it's been better received than it might have been otherwise?

Your larger point is smart as usual.

November 17, 2008

2Josh

I'd like to think that if Sarah Palin had tried to get away without doing any interviews, the news media would have revolted and the end result been much the same. But my faith in the news media is not all that great, so I'm not sure.

November 17, 2008

3Noah Brier

@Eugene Thanks, fixed that gadget blog mistake. And about the head fake, you might be right, though the Gizmodo thing and other stuff I've heard seems to point to them canceling some of it. Also, and this is totally my personal opinon, the "I'm a PC" stuff is crap.

@Josh Yeah, i'd like to think that as well. But I'm in your boat, I don't know that I have that much faith.

November 17, 2008

4Alan Wolk

Noah:

Been thinking this myself.
Especially in light of the recent election.

Sort of a different spin though: people are so thoroughly disgusted with so-called special interest groups hijacking elections and the conversation in general that they're thinking "it's not that big a deal, just shut the f**k up already."

You see it in various forms: one of the main reasons Obama was so popular, in retrospect, is that he came across as his own man. He wasn't pandering to anyone. Didn't pick Hillary to appease a handful of her supporters who were vocal about how pissed they were that she lost (and you know a lesser candidate would have done just that.)

McCain, on the other hand, pandered left and right. (Okay, mainly right) and wound up losing his identity in the process.

Too often people listened to the buzz and the spin and missed the point, only to feel duped afterwards. This Motrin this is just the latest where a common reaction is "That is what was pissing everybody off? I thought it was going to be much, much worse."

It all goes back to the "nation of whiners" notion: that the squeaky wheel is perpetually getting too much grease and that the way to make a point is to threaten to blog about it or tweet about it or otherwise publicize it. Maybe it's time someone said "you know, it's not that bad. Most people like it Deal with it."

November 17, 2008

5barbara

re Palin: ever think they chose Katie because of her reputation for soft news, and that Katie, trying to shore up her own reputation, purposely shot her down? Two H.S.'mean girls', face to face -- someone was goin' down...

November 18, 2008

6nick Goodey

Selective listening is hard in the modern age. This is mainly due the proliferation of tools that allow people to express their opinions, leading to a deluge of views that can quickly turn into a online lynch mob....
Managers of brands are constantly asked to listen to the customer and respond almost in real time to their every whim. Not entering into a 'dialogue' with the consumer is the cardinal modern age sin it would seem..
However, the key to any good dialogue is honestly expressing your views even though they may not be the opens the consumer wants to hear.

November 18, 2008

7Charles Frith

I've got a clear vision for the auto industry. Support it but on proviso that it becomes a 21st century industry. i.e. It retools over 5 years to meet stated environmental travel methods/criteria. Hybrid, electric, new and whatever else DARPA are hiding.

The auto industry could use an incentive to drag it's ass into the third Milennium. Give it a bigger challenge than just fossil fuel cars.

November 18, 2008

8Jinal Shah

I agree with you. I also think just because people have a voice online now (through their blogs, twitter or whatever other means) it has also become easier to misuse that so-called power. Case in point, Motrin Mommy bloggers. Whether the advertisement was offensive or not depends solely on opinions, but the mommy blogger reactions online certainly edged each other on, making a huge deal out of an innocuous advertisement which by all probability was inspired by the chatty/ informal/ "talk-to-us" attitude of mommy bloggers.

November 18, 2008

9Adam Singer

these bailouts are all really annoying. seriously, wtf - this is not america.

you fail as a company, you're done...END OF STORY.

November 19, 2008

10Kelly Eidson

I agree with you about the Gates/Seinfeld spots. I think it hurts the Microsoft brand way more to cut the campaign than it possibly could if they let it run through the full 12 'episodes.' Now it's just those 2 or 3 random multimillion dollar spots that people heard so much about, instead of a developing story that brings Microsoft and Gates back down to humanity.

You make a great point about how dangerous it is to let the chatter sway brands too easily. Now is a time for brands to commit to an image. The blogosphere was never going to like the Microsoft stuff from the beginning, it's too easy to pick on. They might have warmed up to the brand in time, but I guess we'll never know.

Good work as always, Noah.

November 21, 2008

11Noah Brier

@Nick: Yeah, you're very right nick. It's super hard and knowing when to listen and when not to is the toughest question and I think the only answer is your gut ...

November 29, 2008

12peter spear

on the bill/jerry event: i thought from the get go that there was nothing in those spots but chatter-fodder and an engineered and spectacular interruption of the brand.

expensive as hell, but maybe it only took that brief amount of time for it to serve it's purpose, while also not getting stale - kind of a collective head fake.

besides, what does it mean to take an ad down or cut a campaign? from one angle, that thing was everywhere it needed to be.

as for listening, i'm a firm believer that listening is a physical experience. it should happen more often than it does and not just to test or get feedback. nascar blindness comes in a lot of forms and it's dangerous.

December 3, 2008

13MHB

really love this post and the comments.

December 4, 2008